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Posted by: BoxCarRacer Sep 8 2016, 06:49 AM

Article: http://www.citynews.ca/2016/09/07/exclusive-toronto-police-cruisers-becoming-more-stealth-like/ Just read this on the news this morning. It appears Toronto Police are phasing out the white cars and coloured markings. Reports suggest they are going to keep the same design, but switch to all grey vehicles which are commonly used as "stealth" units for traffic enforcement...Toronto Police confirm there will be changes but haven't confirmed the final design. So i guess there's still a possibility that the actual scheme will be changed too and not just the colours. So basically these cars will pretty much be stealth units with actual roof mounted lightbars. I've seen a few of them on the street over the past couple months and was confused why a stealth unit had a lightbar. Now I know lol. I don't really like this decision and think they should have both versions. You'll be losing the sense of officer presence on the streets now that they will blend in more with other cars on the road.

Posted by: XJ220 Sep 8 2016, 07:52 AM

Would this apply to all divisions of TPS? Do they have a separate HP or traffic branch? This must be especially fun when securing a road accident... 'Why does that piece of road light up red and blue? Oh, that's a car??!'

Posted by: NFS Police Force Sep 8 2016, 09:28 AM

Wow that nuts . Thy should have added some lights on the sides .It will be cool for pulling over people . But putting a lightbar on there and going steal come on .Slicktop yes . How stupped are thy . Thy just don't have the money to pay for the paint .

Posted by: Paul Spain Sep 8 2016, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (NFS Police Force @ Sep 8 2016, 05:28 PM) Wow that nuts . Thy should have added some lights on the sides .It will be cool for pulling over people . But putting a lightbar on there and going steal come on .Slicktop yes . How stupped are thy . Thy just don't have the money to pay for the paint . Chris windshield mounted spotlights are a rareity in America Jr. I haven't figured out why but it seems very few dept.s have them.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Sep 9 2016, 01:56 AM

They should go back to yellow . I never understood yellow as a police colour until recently, when I realised that it was really visible and it can look rather cool. We had a similar thing a few years ago when the NZ police decided to get a few new cars in red and orange, for more visibility. The markings were not changed at all. More recently, they've added metallic orange and red to the mix. Not surprisingly, the coloured cars actually blend in with other traffic. Seriously though; a lightbar on a stealth unit? That defeats the point of going stealth. I find it interesting that they didn't say why they were doing that in the first place. PS: Spotlights are pretty much non-existent outside America.

Posted by: XJ220 Sep 9 2016, 06:43 AM

The lightbar is not too tall and rather clear. I am not sure you're going to notice it that quickly as long as it's not switched on.

Posted by: BoxCarRacer Sep 9 2016, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ Sep 9 2016, 04:56 AM) They should go back to yellow . I never understood yellow as a police colour until recently, when I realised that it was really visible and it can look rather cool. We had a similar thing a few years ago when the NZ police decided to get a few new cars in red and orange, for more visibility. The markings were not changed at all. More recently, they've added metallic orange and red to the mix. Not surprisingly, the coloured cars actually blend in with other traffic. Seriously though; a lightbar on a stealth unit? That defeats the point of going stealth. I find it interesting that they didn't say why they were doing that in the first place. PS: Spotlights are pretty much non-existent outside America. I think they stopped painting their cars yellow back then because yellow paint contained lead and it was having negative health effects on the people who painted them. I don't see a lot of yellow cars on the streets today but most them that I do see are pretty faded from the sun

Posted by: NFS Police Force Sep 9 2016, 08:35 AM

This was some weard paint work I saw. I was in S.C. I thought I was in another country . There trucks have the same paint work . It seam like the bright colors are coming to the U.S.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Sep 10 2016, 01:44 AM

Finally America is catching up . I read somewhere about a small police department that decided to use Battenburgs and all-blue lights on its vehicles. I can't remember what state it was in and I can't find it anymore. Check out http://www.asm-aetna.com/blog/tag/mercedes-sprinter-ambulance/. Ambulances in NZ are going yellow now; hopefully this colour doesn't fade too much. Back to the topic; I think it's important for a police force (and its cars) to be seen, which is why I don't really like clear lightbars that much. They look almost invisible without coloured lenses. Plus, the colours are richer through lenses.

Posted by: XJ220 Sep 10 2016, 02:19 AM

Now that SC Tahoe is really fascinating... but it will be a cold day in hell before CA cruisers are going to be painted anything else than black & white And this is what German stealth units look like: http://bos-fahrzeuge.info/einsatzfahrzeuge/130858/Stetten_am_kalten_Markt_-_Feldjaeger_-_FuStW It's from the Military Police, though.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Sep 10 2016, 02:48 AM

Over here, that would stick out like a sore thumb ! By the way, a handful of PDs in CA use other styles; Oxnard for example. They're certainly the vast minority, though. Depending on how black-and-white schemes are applied, they can look pretty cool .

Posted by: Paul Spain Sep 12 2016, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (XJ220 @ Sep 10 2016, 10:19 AM) Now that SC Tahoe is really fascinating... but it will be a cold day in hell before CA cruisers are going to be painted anything else than black & white And this is what German stealth units look like: http://bos-fahrzeuge.info/einsatzfahrzeuge/130858/Stetten_am_kalten_Markt_-_Feldjaeger_-_FuStW It's from the Military Police, though. Reminds me, I got a nice Feldjäger badge in my collection but it seems qualitywise they lack compared to standard polizei, Their badge seems to be lead and gold plated .

Posted by: XJ220 Sep 13 2016, 07:33 AM

Badge? You mean this one, by any chance?

Posted by: NFS Police Force Sep 13 2016, 08:55 AM

LOL I just saw this thy put a no smoking sign on the window . Who can smoke the guy is in cuffs . Wow thy screwed up on there cars big time .

Posted by: slego9 Sep 13 2016, 01:29 PM

I love the scheme of that TPS car but... that light bar is definitely stupid in my mind also if they did this they would need some more easily identifiable ones for car accidents and PR in my mind.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Sep 17 2016, 02:56 AM

It looks like they're trying out three ideas. Here's another picture: The middle one has the same effect as the red and orange NZ cars. The colours don't look good together. The bottom one looks better.

Posted by: NFS Police Force Sep 17 2016, 09:50 AM

Why do thy have dots on the car ???

Posted by: BrabusAMG Sep 17 2016, 07:09 PM

From what I understand, they are reflective dots that show the car's outline at night. I think it might be a Canadian thing, because I haven't seen them used anywhere else.

Posted by: XJ220 Sep 25 2016, 03:51 AM

I think most European countries use them, even on commercial vehicles. Here's a German fire engine equipped with contour markings:

Posted by: slego9 Sep 28 2016, 06:45 AM

that truck looks awsome.... its so clean and shiny and kinda cute.

Posted by: BoxCarRacer Nov 13 2016, 12:36 PM

So the new design has faced so much criticism from the public that Toronto Police will no longer continue with it lol. The public have been complaining that the new cars don't stand out as much and that the grey is a "militarization" of the police service. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-cruisers-1.3845904

Posted by: BrabusAMG Nov 13 2016, 02:23 PM

White looks much better, and of course it stands out. Maybe they should go back to yellow cars, since retro designs are all the rage now .

Posted by: Dark One Nov 16 2016, 09:24 AM

Maybe it's for the better. These gray ones actually looked like Toronto branch of OCP private police. QUOTE (XJ220 @ Sep 25 2016, 06:51 AM) I think most European countries use them, even on commercial vehicles. This particular style is closest to what law enforcement in BeNeLux use on their patrol cars (dots in Netherlands, and dashed stripe in Belgium and Luxembourg).

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