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Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 14 2013, 02:16 PM
Well work is near complete on the N.F.S. HighStakes ColdWar Police mod, I was hoping to be able to mod tracks to ColdWar locales as well for a true ColdWar emersion but I found that to not be too compatible with some locales so I scrapped the idea for now.

The mod features the police vehicles and sirens (if the country had a unique one it's own) to the police, Countries included:

D.D.R.

Poland S.S.R.

Bulgaria S.S.R.

Romainia S.S.R.

Hungary S.S.R.

Czechoslavakia S.S.R.

U.S.S.R.

I have been researching the police vehicles of these places and now I think I have a accurate mix (note: Edited the Polish Milicja Lada 2106 to a Polski Fiat 125P as the Milicja never used Ladas even though the citizens did huh.png )


Special thanks to all who I got intel from is in the READ.ME.

I will soon post a video showcasing the vehicles.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 15 2013, 03:47 PM
I've run into a setback. I can't find no good low poly enough Dacia 1300s to make for Romania.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 19 2013, 01:06 PM
Latest update:



Polish Milicja Lada 2106 replaced with Polski Fiat 125 (made by modding the Lada 2106) since the Milicja never used Ladas.

Also was able to rip some vehicles from the Emergency 4 D.D.R. mod and M60 Russian Mod, Currently testing these.

And thanks to someone in Romania I was able to find a video on YouTube with the Romania Militia's siren so I was able to put it into the mod too.

Also something intresting, Seems Milicja also used the Tesla siren just like Bulgaria,Czechoslovakia and U.S.S.R. This I didn't know til I found this:

Posted by: XJ220 Oct 20 2013, 02:47 AM
Have you thought about giving your cars a more credible class? AA is quite... ambitious for an old sedan. I know that HS is no sim at all but seeing the Lada chase a Diablo just doesn't look right to me.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 20 2013, 04:57 AM
QUOTE (XJ220 @ Oct 20 2013, 10:47 AM)
Have you thought about giving your cars a more credible class? AA is quite... ambitious for an old sedan. I know that HS is no sim at all but seeing the Lada chase a Diablo just doesn't look right to me.

The UAZ Hunter (Milicja Jeep) replaced the Corvette cop for that track so he was the one chasing the Diablo, The Polski Fiat Milicja cars was just back up (Replaces the BMW) so no matter what class I make them they'll still be backup cars as the game only has limited police traffic vehicles by default. What class would you make the patrol cars?

Posted by: XJ220 Oct 21 2013, 09:21 AM
'B' of course. 'A' only for practical reasons so backup is useful but definitely not 'AA'.

Posted by: Paul Spain Apr 2 2014, 02:59 PM
A quick update on this mod, I have found out you can just paste the foreign language speech into cop files without screwing up the game to a new language..Thus I can add real Russian speech to the Soviet track (Durham Road) Take a look:



If the game has Czech and Polish versions that would be great..I know it has German speech files in the German game.

Thanks to Vitalli for the Russian speech files. I also noticed the ГАИ was ГАN..I have since fixed that so no worries. wink.png

Posted by: BrabusAMG Apr 3 2014, 03:42 PM
That first siren on the Program 997 video sounds very similar to the siren used in New Zealand in the '80s and '90s. It's still in use today on older fire appliances. I have recorded several versions of it; it's my all-time favourite siren.

Those Militia cars look pretty nice so far. I did wonder if it was possible to get the speech files from other versions of HS. It seems to work.

I think Class B would be more accurate, but it all depends on the performance settings on your cars. I have a few Class B pursuit cars, and it does work well. The M5 backups are a bit more effective.

Re-texturing a track can be quite tricky depending on the pictures you use. I've only tried to re-texture Landstrasse with textures from Alps (NFS Porsche). If you're using Eastern Bloc locales then you need pictures, which would probably be very hard. But it's not impossible.

Posted by: Paul Spain Apr 3 2014, 05:44 PM
QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ Apr 3 2014, 11:42 PM)
That first siren on the Program 997 video sounds very similar to the siren used in New Zealand in the '80s and '90s.  It's still in use today on older fire appliances.  I have recorded several versions of it; it's my all-time favourite siren.

Those Militia cars look pretty nice so far.  I did wonder if it was possible to get the speech files from other versions of HS.  It seems to work.

I think Class B would be more accurate, but it all depends on the performance settings on your cars.  I have a few Class B pursuit cars, and it does work well.  The M5 backups are a bit more effective.

Re-texturing a track can be quite tricky depending on the pictures you use.  I've only tried to re-texture Landstrasse with textures from Alps (NFS Porsche).  If you're using Eastern Bloc locales then you need pictures, which would probably be very hard.  But it's not impossible.

huh.png You mean that siren Milita has, That's the Tesla AZD..So NZ had a simular sounding one too then? I know America has a simular sounding one and it's still made..Warble tone:




As for difficulties..Well for the U.S.S.R. I've happened to pic a track that's almost perfect: Durham City Beta 3 because it has very simular buildings..Only some minor changes are needed but because texturing tracks is somewhat difficult I've recruted the help of Madman NFS from NFS Cars, Just so happens I was lucky to have picked him because he too has been wanting to mod this track and he agrees it would be possible to make it with only minor changes. For the D.D.R. locale I selected (after trying several German tracks) Bergstraße Special Edition Beta as it was easiest to mod. I also added some D.D.R. flags on poles (one at the start and one up town at the VolksPolizei station) and I have all their sirens recorded too..Recently I was able to add my favorite version of the Presston 7512 (Wail-Yelp) (Darkone will love tone this tone setup laugh.png) it sounds alot better than their old Wail only siren. Here is a video of that siren added:



Now there most likely will be difficulities when the other locales are made (Hungary,Poland,Czechoslavakia, and Romania but atleast I got 2 knocked out of the way..Maybe other track makers will join so these could be made, If not I guess worse comes to worse I just remove a thing here-there and add a piece here-there I can make places to represent them though they are just generalizations not set in any particular city, You'll notice the D.D.R. patrol cars all have Berlin plates (prefix 00- before the unit number) Yet you can tell the track I've chose clearly is a city not nowhere as big as Berlin tongue.png . I feel with NFS HighStakes's limits it's just not possible to have these places be 100% spot on but rather I make rough generalizations of locales.

Posted by: Paul Spain Aug 21 2014, 04:09 PM
I have got new vehicles to add to this mod, 2 (possibly 3 if the other is low poly too) AZLK Moskvitches. One I'm getting ready the other is done all but a driver on a VolksPolizei and cop gear needing added to a VB, the other models have to be painted (as they're white by default) AZLK Moskvitch 412 (1972)

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VB, They was still using the old style scheme for that year. DarkOne will love this biggrin.png, though I need to fix the text to make it better.


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The other cars I'm working on..They are a 1969 Moskvitch 408, 1950 Moskvitch 407 (if low poly enough..Will take longer though as it needs assembled..Parts are just throwed every which way on it ohmy.png.

Posted by: Dark One Aug 22 2014, 08:48 AM
QUOTE (Paul Spain @ Apr 3 2014, 08:44 PM)
Recently I was able to add my favorite version of the Presston 7512 (Wail-Yelp) (Darkone will love tone this tone setup laugh.png) it sounds alot better than their old Wail only siren.

Oh, bloody hell! Space Invaders! laugh.png

It would be better on American locale, where the wail gets repeated several times and the phaser would come as yelp, but it's definitely less disturbing than that ghostly siren their police cars usually had. tongue.png

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VB, They was still using the old style scheme for that year. DarkOne will love this biggrin.png, though I need to fix the text to make it better.

Also don't forget that they used the lettering only over the front doors and it was narrow and rather tall. wink.png

Best source for anything related to accurate replica of Czechoslovak police cars would be http://www.facebook.com/phsos (unfortunately, both their websites didn't got really updated for the long time, so their twitface galeries will have to do).

Posted by: Paul Spain Aug 22 2014, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (Dark One @ Aug 22 2014, 04:48 PM)
QUOTE (Paul Spain @ Apr 3 2014, 08:44 PM)
Recently I was able to add my favorite version of the Presston 7512 (Wail-Yelp) (Darkone will love tone this tone setup laugh.png) it sounds alot better than their old Wail only siren.

Oh, bloody hell! Space Invaders! laugh.png

It would be better on American locale, where the wail gets repeated several times and the phaser would come as yelp, but it's definitely less disturbing than that ghostly siren their police cars usually had. tongue.png

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VB, They was still using the old style scheme for that year. DarkOne will love this biggrin.png, though I need to fix the text to make it better.

Also don't forget that they used the lettering only over the front doors and it was narrow and rather tall. wink.png

Best source for anything related to accurate replica of Czechoslovak police cars would be http://www.facebook.com/phsos (unfortunately, both their websites didn't got really updated for the long time, so their twitface galeries will have to do).

I shall try to get the font and text correct. Also I know what light these had now thanks to that page..Odd that they used white Tesla AZD..The white one looks wierd to me..The black siren ones looks much better. I'm guessing Tesla AZD came out in white first then after they realized how bad that looked brought out black in the 1970's-1980's series.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 1 2014, 05:35 PM
Martin you was kind of wrong on the VB, NOT all their vehicles has it all crammed onto the front doors only, I found I now have to redo the lettering on the Moskvitch 412 (1973) Also thank God some has the black Tesla..The white ones are just plain ugly wink.png .

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Also they had a few Lada 2101s with it like that too just before reapinting them all yellow/white in 1976.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Oct 2 2014, 06:49 PM
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You mean that siren Milita has, That's the Tesla AZD..So NZ had a simular sounding one too then?


They did. Here is a video of one on a fire appliance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4iEBdfV_8

And here is a video of a very high-pitched version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eggcBc0sOUg

The sirens were also used on police cars and ambulances during the 80s and possibly late 70s, but fire engines from that era are the only vehicles still using them today.

I must say, I like the blue colour of that VB Moskvitch. I've no idea why anyone would have yellow police cars. Still, I guess it's more noticeable than the 70s NZ police livery: light grey with a single red beacon and the world 'POLICE' on the door!

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 2 2014, 07:17 PM
QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ Oct 3 2014, 02:49 AM)
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You mean that siren Milita has, That's the Tesla AZD..So NZ had a simular sounding one too then?


They did. Here is a video of one on a fire appliance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4iEBdfV_8

And here is a video of a very high-pitched version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eggcBc0sOUg

The sirens were also used on police cars and ambulances during the 80s and possibly late 70s, but fire engines from that era are the only vehicles still using them today.

I must say, I like the blue colour of that VB Moskvitch. I've no idea why anyone would have yellow police cars. Still, I guess it's more noticeable than the 70s NZ police livery: light grey with a single red beacon and the world 'POLICE' on the door!

huh.png This is VERY intresting, Did N.Z. have some official trade with either U.S.S.R. or Czechoslavakia (which is where the Tesla siren is made)? Or did they just decide to use them on their own?

Yeah I like the blue/white VB police cars better too..Yellow/white just looks odd but the yellow/white ones are easier to make.

Posted by: Dark One Oct 3 2014, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ Oct 3 2014 @ 02:49 AM)
I must say, I like the blue colour of that VB Moskvitch. I've no idea why anyone would have yellow police cars. Still, I guess it's more noticeable than the 70s NZ police livery

In seventies, yellow police cars were common sight in Ontario and Quebec, some Australian states still use yellow police cars to this day, and we can't forget the yellow stripped patrol cars from UK, which started this design change in the first place.

QUOTE (Paul Spain @ Oct 2 2014 @ 10:17 PM)
This is VERY intresting, Did N.Z. have some official trade with either U.S.S.R. or Czechoslavakia (which is where the Tesla siren is made)? Or did they just decide to use them on their own?

It's similar. But I would say it's just the coincidence. Or maybe it was in the use by the late sixties already, and our guys were the ones adopting it. Keep on mind that the older cars with Polish Elektra beacons still had the electromechanical siren.

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Also thank God some has the black Tesla..The white ones are just plain ugly

Lets agree, that we won't agree. Also, early version even had steel siren casing. White and gray ones are now considered rare, and the black version is the most common one.

And as for your image, I already mentioned elsewhere that it is incorrect replica. And even though sources are confirming patrol cars with the letting over the both doors, such examples can by counted on both hands, because it was not following the regulations. They could have literally got their cars in any colors they felt like, I can confirm even cyan and orange patrol cars. But placement and design of the lettering was something they better got to follow. Moreover, the stripe on the Moskvitch is supposed to go all the way up, not bellow the doorhandles.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 5 2014, 03:03 PM
So the stripe goes right along the door handles area then? Ok.

Also I wonder if they had the fan drove siren mounted into Tesla siren/lights? I have saw pics of those on OLD cars (like the 1959 Volga M21) Though as you said most had single Polish light or even the bigger F.E.R. gumball.

I will move the stripe up some on the Moskvitch..I also am working on a nice Moskvitch 408 base. Oddly enough most of the police models use the 2 headlight version but the car came with both 2 and 4 headlight versions.
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I don't know if VB used it too but I have to assume so..Why use the 1972+ 412 and not the older 408 huh.png ? And if so did they use both versions or only the 2 headlight as well?

Posted by: Dark One Oct 8 2014, 09:11 AM
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So the stripe goes right along the door handles area then? Ok.

Also I wonder if they had the fan drove siren mounted into Tesla siren/lights? I have saw pics of those on OLD cars (like the 1959 Volga M21) Though as you said most had single Polish light or even the bigger F.E.R. gumball.

You can see the difference between most of the replica cars, that were made by the Moskvitch fans, and historically accurate ones (which for now exists at least in three examples, one with gray siren, one with black siren, and another "semi-legit" one with LB-3 beacon, and small blue flashers added on the front bumper besides the foglights), on the car you posted.

Actual Czechoslovak patrol cars had the stripe going https://flic.kr/p/bMVUXk, following the side line of the car https://flic.kr/p/bMVVm4, while most of the fan replica had the narrow stripe following only the profile under the door handles and https://flic.kr/p/a6AH92. Which is, more likely, the way Hungarians were marking theirs.

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I will move the stripe up some on the Moskvitch..I also am working on a nice Moskvitch 408 base. Oddly enough most of the police models use the 2 headlight version but the car came with both 2 and 4 headlight versions.

That comes with the two headlights being the basic model, while double headlights were considered the "luxury edition".

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I don't know if VB used it too but I have to assume so..Why use the 1972+ 412 and not the older 408 huh.png ? And if so did they use both versions or only the 2 headlight as well?

I'm not sure, maybe they had some here and there for testing, but through the sixties they were using only Volga 21, where they needed large cars, or Skoda 1202 and Octavia station wagons for anything else. Not to mention that the whole Moskvitch order could have been more of the political deal, especially after commie incompetence killed our very own https://flic.kr/p/oPYMz9 and Skoda 1000 was deemed unsuitable for duty.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Oct 8 2014, 02:36 PM
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This is VERY intresting, Did N.Z. have some official trade with either U.S.S.R. or Czechoslavakia (which is where the Tesla siren is made)? Or did they just decide to use them on their own?


NZ did indeed have official trade with the USSR and possibly other Eastern Bloc countries. The New Zealand Dairy Board (now called Fonterra) exported mutton and butter to the Soviet Union. The USSR paid for these imports by sending Lada 2107s, 2104s, 2105s and Nivas over here. I still see a few of these on the roads here. Apparently they once served as taxis. This carried on until 1990.

Maybe there was a trade deal with Poland as well, because in the mid-80s a batch of 150 FSO Polonez hatchbacks was sent here. I've never seen one, though.

The siren itself was actually manufactured by the New Zealand company Electronic Alarms Industries.

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It's similar. But I would say it's just the coincidence. Or maybe it was in the use by the late sixties already, and our guys were the ones adopting it. Keep on mind that the older cars with Polish Elektra beacons still had the electromechanical siren.


Either way is possible. I'm not sure when Electronic Alarms Industries started making their version. It might have been in the 70s; I don't know. Before that, emergency vehicles here had electro-mechanical sirens.

Posted by: Sirius-R Oct 13 2014, 08:42 PM
Paul, can you send me the models of all the cars (with all the liveries) (including USSR Carrera) of this mod? It seems that I'm struck with "I can do better or as good using less polygons and/or less texture space" feeling, so I'd like to see if I'm correct. If I am - I most likely will suggest you to delay the mod's release date until I finish my improvements.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 14 2014, 07:28 PM
QUOTE (Sirius-R @ Oct 14 2014, 04:42 AM)
Paul, can you send me the models of all the cars (with all the liveries) (including USSR Carrera) of this mod? It seems that I'm struck with "I can do better or as good using less polygons and/or less texture space" feeling, so I'd like to see if I'm correct. If I am - I most likely will suggest you to delay the mod's release date until I finish my improvements.

happy.png Sure. Can you do tracks too or no? I have a D.D.R. track finished and I'm working on a U.S.S.R. city track.

Others I'm kind of at a dead end with til I find good replacements sad.png

Posted by: Sirius-R Oct 14 2014, 07:51 PM
Sorry, but I only work on (low poly) cars. sad.png

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 14 2014, 08:29 PM
QUOTE (Sirius-R @ Oct 15 2014, 03:51 AM)
Sorry, but I only work on (low poly) cars. sad.png

Ok. I'll get them together..Will be a BIG file though as there is 7 countries of police.

U.S.S.R., Poland,Hungary,Romania,D.D.R.,Czechoslavakia,and Bulgaria.

Most of these bases are low poly..Some are NOT texture friendly and I had to do alot of remapping and resizing.

Also if you can make them better 1 BIG thing..Please don't make them like you did the Duquoin Metro Police FordCrown Vic laugh.png .

Posted by: Sirius-R Oct 14 2014, 09:13 PM
That particular CVPI... I will be thankful for the rest of my days if you will never ever remind me of it. Once I'm back to my laptop, I'm taking its lightbar off (which, thankfully, turned out rather good) and erasing any sight of its existence. I'm NOT making anything like that ever again.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 14 2014, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (Sirius-R @ Oct 15 2014, 05:13 AM)
That particular CVPI... I will be thankful for the rest of my days if you will never ever remind me of it. Once I'm back to my laptop, I'm taking its lightbar off (which, thankfully, turned out rather good) and erasing any sight of its existence. I'm NOT making anything like that ever again.

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As a heads up I plan on redoing it too..The base wasn't too friendly with the stripe..Nils's CrownVic is way superb and will be more friendly. It's also way lower poly cool.png .

Posted by: BrabusAMG Jan 28 2015, 03:25 PM
About my statement on the NZ Police's spartan liveries ...

Here's a picture of a genuine police car from 1975:

http://www.111emergency.co.nz/POLICE/Patrols/PatrolsJ/JN2066/JN2066c.JPG

It's a Holden Kingswood, in case you were wondering what it was.

The sirens weren't the only things that were similar to the Eastern Bloc. That's quite a change from the American-style cars of the '50s and '60s.

Here's a video of an accurate replica of a 1983 Commodore Police car (ignore the background music):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVujagPdCM

On the other hand, the traffic police here (the Ministry of Transport) in the '70s and '80s were still American-style, like this 1974 Holden Belmont V8:

http://www.111emergency.co.nz/Police/Vintage/GB1845.JPG

Why don't they still use V8s? I've no idea.



Footnote: I'm having trouble putting videos in a post like you do.

Posted by: XJ220 Jan 30 2015, 05:09 AM
QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ Jan 29 2015, 01:25 AM)
Why don't they still use V8s?  I've no idea.

Because they prefer efficiency? More cylinders/displacement needn't necessarily equal more power.

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Footnote: I'm having trouble putting videos in a post like you do.

I edited your post to include the embedded video. Just edit it to see its source-code wink.png

Posted by: Paul Spain Jun 19 2015, 11:39 PM
Ok..I got 2 wonderful models I bought a long time ago when I got my taxes back..I was tricked..they claimed they was around 8000 polys each but they are way higher..But could likely be cut down..who's free to help me reduce these? Don't worry about wheels and the steering wheel..I plan to replace those with way lower poly ones from other cars, Also It might be possible to change the : OC to a lower poly one from another car.

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Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 13 2016, 02:42 PM
Alot has happened since I last posted here, new cars added to the mod and improovements as well.

I'd like to kick this off with a bit of humor first, I feel like such a FOOL biggrin.png tongue.png .

Ok, those of you who have downloaded any of my Volkspolizei vehicles might notice I always used Berlin( 00- _ _ _ _ ) on license plates. Despite the fact the track I made to DDR is a small country town about like HomeTown but with a forrest,This was because I knew only that district, I knew they had more but didn't know them all,Just Berlin.

Well guess what? The help needed was literally right at my finger tips, It's in my Volkspolizei rules,regulations,and tactics manual I have (August 1982) laugh.png . So had I bothered to read through the WHOLE book instead of just reading through the good stuff chapter:

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Here are the districts, This will make it possible to change the license plates on those cars and make more suitable ones for what they are patroling based on town populations, I will try to find a town on Wikipedia that matches up with the DDR track size and population wise and change the license plate to the district that serves that town.

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AND, A few days ago I was chatting with my pal Alex Ginzburg on FaceBook, I showed him the Lada 2106 Soviet Militia GAI cars I made from Arman's, All was correct except for 3 things, He said I need to edit the DDR lightbar, For what ever reason (likely just to stand out from the DDR) Soviets bent the plates you mount lights to up to angle them..So I corrected that.

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Then Alex said I need to remove the GAI ovals from the hood, They go on the trunk ONLY, I told him I was using pics of a model car I found on Google (Volga M24 I believe) that had the ovals on the hood and trunk, He said those models are junk..Don't use those as guides..Then he also said I have the stripe too low..so I corrected that.

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In other news ,Wasn't easy but I did manage to put a actual police uniform on the driver of the VoPo Lada 2106 and give it plates (which I will change to something else now that I have the district list) I didn't bother with sticking a visor hat on the driver, I'd have no room to map it out:

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On a side note I've reshaped and updated the F.E.R. lightbar too,It's 100% accurate now vs the older versions I was using that was just rails and blocky plates and wasn't too good but it was all I could muster up tinkering with parts, Now I have everything right wink.png .

I will continue to try adding uniforms and plates to the other Lada 2106 police cars but it's not easy as Arman used BIG pics for the headlights and tailights that take up alot of room, And remapping them to smaller pics is such a pain, I might however be able to redo and remap the body TGA and it's simple, As these cars are built Nils's style with a full skeleton and lines. So I'll see what I can do.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Oct 14 2016, 01:51 AM
Those look like high-detail bases. What's the poly count?

Maybe one day in the far future I might like to revamp a Lada 2107 base. I don't know why, but I like them. They were also sold new here, so sometimes I get to see old Ladas, usually Nivas biggrin.png.

By the way, they were always referred to as VAZs in their home market (but you probably knew that).

Also, how high-poly are those Volgas you posted earlier? I can imagine one of those in HP2 happy.png.

Posted by: XJ220 Oct 14 2016, 06:51 AM
As far as GDR plates go, you'd likely want to go with 1 or 2 as that state has the lowest population-density in whole Germany as far as I know.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 14 2016, 09:30 AM
QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ Oct 14 2016, 09:51 AM)
Those look like high-detail bases. What's the poly count?

Maybe one day in the far future I might like to revamp a Lada 2107 base. I don't know why, but I like them. They were also sold new here, so sometimes I get to see old Ladas, usually Nivas biggrin.png.

By the way, they were always referred to as VAZs in their home market (but you probably knew that).

Also, how high-poly are those Volgas you posted earlier? I can imagine one of those in HP2 happy.png.

Do you mean the Volgas from 1959 (car and wagon)?

The Lada 2106 is low poly and even lower since I use my 40 poly wheels on the police versions, The Lada 2106 is by Arman and I got it from NFS Cars, I also used it to make a Polski Fiat 125P as it was made using the same body in real life with only moderate changes to it.:

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Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 14 2016, 09:39 AM
QUOTE (XJ220 @ Oct 14 2016, 02:51 PM)
As far as GDR plates go, you'd likely want to go with 1 or 2 as that state has the lowest population-density in whole Germany as far as I know.

Ok..I was going to use 4 (Potsdam) cause I figured this town (Bad Belzig) suited what is in the track but maybe 11120 people is still kind of big for what the track has. tongue.png

I will make plates for district 1 & 2 though per your advice wink.png the plates is very easy for me to do BTW as I have a authentic guide to help me make them.

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Posted by: XJ220 Oct 15 2016, 08:15 AM
O_o I lived in (Bad) Belzig for some time. Brandenburg (the state it lies in) is quite rural, too, but Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is still more 'empty' happy.png

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 15 2016, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (XJ220 @ Oct 15 2016, 04:15 PM)
O_o I lived in (Bad) Belzig for some time. Brandenburg (the state it lies in) is quite rural, too, but Mecklenburg-Vorpommern is still more 'empty' happy.png

"O_o I lived in (Bad) Belzig for some time."

We know all,we see all,we hear all tongue.png. JK.

I also have a nice police chief's tunic from MVP, It's the old army green before they changed to blue and black ones. These just look better, DVP uniforms looks best though in my opinion, They just look more traditionally German to me.

Posted by: XJ220 Oct 16 2016, 10:04 AM
Lived there around 2008, so no connections to be made here wink.png

Eastern German uniforms are always flawed with being a (weird) mixture of wartime German designs and cold war Soviet influences. NO fan of 'em.

Posted by: Paul Spain Oct 17 2016, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (XJ220 @ Oct 16 2016, 06:04 PM)
Lived there around 2008, so no connections to be made here wink.png

Eastern German uniforms are always flawed with being a (weird) mixture of wartime German designs and cold war Soviet influences. NO fan of 'em.

I see what you mean on the NVA but police no, I like the police ones. Although getting these in my size is akin to pulling out your own teeth anistetic free ohmy.png . But I managed to get 2 sets. Only thing the police copied uniformwise from Soviets is the shirts..How they droop over the waist vs the tuckin most police use elsewhere. BOTH sides I found liked the furry hats in the Winter though tongue.png but I don't know if the West German have the pull down ear flaps like the East German ones have.

Posted by: BrabusAMG Oct 17 2016, 02:36 PM
I saw a Lada 210(something) sedan coming back from Queenstown yesterday biggrin.png. I couldn't see which model it was, because it was a few cars ahead on the roundabout and I never saw the front. It was cream-coloured and in really good condition.

Posted by: XJ220 Oct 18 2016, 07:40 AM
QUOTE (Paul Spain @ Oct 17 2016, 08:10 PM)
I see what you mean on the NVA but police no, I like the police ones. Although getting these in my size is akin to pulling out your own teeth anistetic free  ohmy.png . But I managed to get 2 sets. Only thing the police copied uniformwise from Soviets is the shirts..How they droop over the waist vs the tuckin most police use elsewhere. BOTH sides I found liked the furry hats in the Winter though tongue.png but I don't know if the West German have the pull down ear flaps like the East German ones have.

It's the same with any of their uniforms. A weird mix of insignia from before and after the end of the 2nd World War. Rank insignia identical to that found in the Wehrmacht etc., yet combined with typical Soviet bits like Hammer & Sickle. Complete opposites.

At least in the German Federal Army, the winter cap does have ear flaps. Rumors have it both Germanies had rather similar climatic conditions.

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