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Posted: May 22 2014, 08:46 AM
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And I thought you were around long enough to know the policecarwebsite does not support hotlinking their images tongue.png

Here's the image:
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At least on photos the difference seems to be rather negligible, though I don't know how apparent the difference is in reality. At least the CVPI is the only car with such difference, the rest is uniformly grey and has been so forever, it seems?

@ Max/BrabusAMG: The only country I have seen so far which does use slicktops like the USA and Canada is Luxembourg:
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@ Martin:
What ISP are doing now with these Caprices reminds me of a badly done add-on for NFS biggrin.png Plus this implementation really shows the scheme's age. Wonder whether they're unwilling or unable to come up with something that incorporates what's known into something modern?


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Posted: May 22 2014, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE (XJ220 @ May 22 2014, 09:46 AM)
And I thought you were around long enough to know the policecarwebsite does not support hotlinking their images tongue.png

You think that's bad?... it's been so long since i used that site i actually had to think of what the name of it was for a minute mellow.png


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Posted: May 23 2014, 09:26 AM
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Just surprising wink.png Aaand it's nice to see you posting again.

So, have you seen their CVPIs in real-life? I wonder how noticeable the different shades of grey/silver really are.


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Posted: May 23 2014, 07:06 PM
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I've always been a fan of Luxembourg's orange bumpers.

The NZ Police have decided to try out buying cars in civilian colours (red and orange). The problem is, they blend in with the rest of the traffic, so even though they're fully marked, they are less visible than the white ones, which is ironic because they decided to use those colours to make police cars more visible.

By the way, I don't really see a difference between the grey bumpers and the rest of the body on the Rhode Island cars, but I do think that putting "State Police" on the side three times is overkill.


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Posted: May 23 2014, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE (XJ220 @ May 23 2014, 10:26 AM)
So, have you seen their CVPIs in real-life? I wonder how noticeable the different shades of grey/silver really are.

Yeah. It was no hard job to tell the difference. The 98-03 or so vics were the worst, everything since then is well... still not right. But at least i think they tried to get it right.

It's always a lighter gray then everything else, but there was the odd time you'd run into one that was actually darker grey then the rest of the car... I never understood why they could never match the paint on the CV's. They would of been better off just putting black bumpers on, it probably would of looked better.


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Posted: May 24 2014, 08:34 AM
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Perhaps they thought the Ford silver could be reminiscent of the old chrome bumpers? biggrin.png

QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ May 24 2014, 02:06 AM)
I've always been a fan of Luxembourg's orange bumpers.

Yup, very good way of making traffic police more visible.

QUOTE (BrabusAMG @ May 24 2014, 02:06 AM)
The NZ Police have decided to try out buying cars in civilian colours (red and orange).  The problem is, they blend in with the rest of the traffic, so even though they're fully marked, they are less visible than the white ones, which is ironic because they decided to use those colours to make police cars more visible.

Do they still blend in when they turn their lights on?

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By the way, I don't really see a difference between the grey bumpers and the rest of the body on the Rhode Island cars, but I do think that putting "State Police" on the side three times is overkill.

It took me a moment to see it, too, but you can't always rely on simple photographies to judge colors. Maybe they could have painted the bumpers the same color as the rest of the car had they decided to not put STATE POLICE on it so many times...


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Posted: May 28 2014, 01:14 PM
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To expand on the topic from earlier post. History of emergency vehicles in Czech Republic and Czechoslovakia was also an interesting one.

At one hand, there is evidence of private ambulances equipped by emergency lights and siren as far as in late twenties, and fire brigades equipped with firetrucks usually had them marked in some way, and using either bell and opaque reflector with red flame sign, or front facing red light and hi-lo siren.
On the other hand, law enforcement, be it police corps, gendarmerie, or later national security, were using unmarked cars without any emergency warning whatsoever. Using only horn, or whistle, to get through the traffic.

Which remained as such until mid fifties, when first cars got marked in red-trimmed white stripe on blue base (also called plums or milkmen, depending on base color of choice).
But besides getting rotary siren and somehow distinguishing paint scheme (base color was not unified, so there were even gray, cyan, navy and black patrol cars through the years), these cars were usually equipped only with single or pair of yellow fog lights, and while there were attempts to use front facing blue lights of some sort, it was mostly local effort to keep up with ambulances and firetrucks, rather than official regulation.

And once again, it wasn't until mid sixties, when the lettering switched from HLÍDKA VB (Patrol of Public Security) to VEŘEJNÁ BEZPEČNOST, and patrol cars started getting equipped with Polish LB-3 beacon.
By late sixties, fire brigades also switched from red beacons (or front facing red lights), to blue, and red was only used as absolute right of way, by government officials and their escort.

Finally, in mid seventies, through experimental "Sussex" paint scheme, which was using reflective red-trimmed yellow stripe on white cars, we got to well known yellow/white patrol cars with big VB lettering.
These then managed to get used well into nineties in Slovakia, just with lettering switched to POLÍCIA, while Police of the Czech Republic was more thorough with their redesign, and subsequently repainted even their older cars all-white with green stripe. Sole exception being special forces URN, which inherited bunch of Tatra 613 cruisers painted in aforementioned experimental design.


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Posted: May 28 2014, 08:04 PM
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A very interesting history of Czech Police Cars.

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Do they still blend in when they turn their lights on?


The red and blue LEDs definitely stand out, because the newer Commodore police cars here (including the white ones) have red and blue lights in the grille, the front windscreen, the rear windscreen and even in the rear light cluster, as well as flashing headlights and a light bar on the roof, so there's no chance of missing them. You would not be able to put that many lights in a car for High Stakes, because the red and blue lights alone would take up 12 dummies! If you wanted accurate headlights, you would need 4 just for them, which means that the car would have no brake or reverse lights.

Even so, the actual colour of the cars doesn't stand out. The whole idea of the new colours was to make highway patrol cars (without lights on) more visible on the road, to encourage road safety. Even the traffic officers who drive the cars don't like the colours. To be honest, the red and orange civilian body colours actually clash with the blue and yellow Battenburg markings.
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They should have used bright yellow, but the St John Ambulance have recently decided to phase out their white ambulances and replace them with brand new yellow ones, due to the success that yellow ambulances have had in Europe.

Maybe the police should follow Luxembourg's example and use white cars with bright orange bumpers.

Here are pictures of older cars like I mentioned earlier:
http://www.111emergency.co.nz/N-R/PolicePatrols.htm
Look for Vintage Police and MoT vehicles.

I wonder if the NZ Fire Service will decide to change to brighter colours as well. Currently, fire engines here are red (obviously) with a dark blue stripe at the bottom. I have plenty of my own pictures, but I can't insert them, so here's a picture from www.111emergency.co.nz:

http://www.111emergency.co.nz/FIRE/Arapawa...-39/FED947h.JPG

On second thought, maybe they don't need new colours.

PS: Why can't I upload pictures from my computer?


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Posted: May 29 2014, 09:09 AM
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@ Martin:

I think fire/EMS are always a bit more advanced when it comes to adapting warning technologies. Police are probably closer to the state which results in a more uniform appearance and slow adaption of changes.
But since LED lights have become standard I think most emergency cars over here have sufficient lighting. They just need to find a better solution to the proper placement of sirens in squad cars. EU regulation caused the sirens to move from the roof to the engine bay and depending on the brand they're too quiet and sound, well... bad. Even though unmarked cars have okay sirens so I don't know what the problem is here – another example of bad/slow adaption.

And of the schemes you described I like the white with green stripe the best including what CZ has now. Really looked more like an authority that way.

@Max:

Uploads are disabled for basic members. I could change that, but have no idea how much space we have available. I will look into it and recommend using an external host like Photobucket in the meantime.

The red and orange cars you posted look as if they were standing at the yard of a car dealer to advertise its inventory. I'd say with more... officially looking markings red and orange could be very flashy colors in traffic. They have red cars with the usual markings in London for super-VIP escorts and I think they look rather serious – just a but too fire brigade-ish. Or just go back to white ^^

The engines are too colorful in my opinion. Replacing the blue with red and deciding on a single shade of yellow would make them look much better. From the German city Herne:
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Interesting emergency number, by the way. You have 111, in the EU it's 112.


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Posted: May 29 2014, 03:14 PM
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@ Martin & Max: You have now been moved to the Senior Members group and should be able to upload files.


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Posted: May 29 2014, 07:45 PM
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Danke Schön!

I agree that the Police could have at least changed the markings to make the cars look better.

Our fire engines are definitely colourful nowadays. If you think that blue is not the most appropriate colour for fire appliances (I think that), then take a look at the Hazmat Trucks here. The entire rear end is dark blue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHgTcZE3Ku0

Fire appliances here used to look like this:

http://www.111emergency.co.nz/FIRE/Applian...704/NJ5704c.JPG

Those oldtimers have since been retro-fitted with reflective stripes. They keep the original sirens until they break. The 80s sirens are my absolute favourite sirens. It's probably because I grew up with them. They sound similar to the Tesla sirens used in the Eastern Bloc.

I think that fire engines here should probably be painted bright orange, like some engines in Germany. Then the red lights would stand out a bit more and the vehicle would be more visible as well.

The emergency number 111 is unique to NZ. Australia has 000 (Triple Zero). 111 is 10 years older than 911. From what I have read, 111 seems to be the second oldest emergency number in the world (the oldest is 999). It was introduced in 1958 and gradually spread across the country. Nelson (the nearest city to me) got it in 1960, the year that the first television came to New Zealand.

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Posted: May 30 2014, 08:41 AM
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Gern geschehen wink.png

I am not really against blue as a color for FD vehicles. Just the combination of red, yellow and blue looks like they wanted to show off all primary colors. Mainly red and blue accents can look pretty neat in my opinion. This is an example from the German city of Augsburg.

By the way, German fire vehicles are never orange. It's basically the same color the vehicles from Luxembourg use for their bumpers, a type of red which absorbs much less light than usual making it quite striking. The problem with it is, at least when used as a paint, that it bleaches out rather quickly in bright sunlight which would make it not such a great choice for NZ or AUS amongst others. I do not know whether this is still a problem with the foils that are being used nowadays instead of paint.

Aaand to get back to the police – what about riot vehicles? This is what the older water cannons look like with the new paint scheme. I have actually little idea what such vehicles look like elsewhere except for a few European countries (Belgium and France mainly) and Brazil.


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Thank you, my favorite evil admin. laugh.png

Speaking of fire trucks... I won't exaggerate, if I say that our regional fire brigade still have best firetrucks in the entire country. biggrin.png

This is latest Mercedes-Benz Econic from regional capital, Ostrava (they are also now testing updated paint scheme).
These got assigned across the county, including fire station in our town.
And here, for comparison, is new toy of firefighters in Prague (too bad that they can no longer have that bronze logo on their new trucks).

Just take look at this video, how they stand out, and (try to) notice the Fabia command car (which, for reason unknown, got marked in standard red). It's self-explanatory.

As for the weathered down red, I think that early cars seems to share that fate, unless repainted, but as shown by the second video, even our older Tatra trucks are as bright as ever.



I also updated my previous post with some images, to better illustrate the case. Though that Skoda STW is rather questionable replica, considering the inaccurate marking. Blue patrol cars usually had the lettering only over the front doors, as shown on the group picture.

And speaking of the early days of SNB, before getting Skoda 1101 "combat" Tudor, their cars of choice were also Tatra 57A (leftovers from gendarmerie) and Tatra 57K which were made for German army during the war, and also briefly in late fourties.


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Posted: Jun 2 2014, 08:17 AM
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Ostrava really has a nice fleet. Is there an airport nearby? Several of their vehicles look like crash trucks.

I read a report on a Spanish fire department some years ago and they had the bright red, too, and their vehicles became white after a few years so it really depends on the amount of sun they're exposed to. Plus the more recent foliation seems to be immune.

The earliest squad cars look like the Czech version of the VW Type 82. And perhaps 181. I don't think German police ever used these? The oldest cars I can think of have to be VW Bugs.


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Posted: Jun 2 2014, 01:53 PM
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You mean this? These are not crash trucks. Just "pond" trucks based on army Tatra 815-7, that are meant to replace venerable Tatra 148, and partially also older 815 fire trucks. (In case of Ostrava though, just like Econic is replacing no longer produced Dennis trucks, 815-7 in 4x4 configuration will replace old Liaz trucks of volunteer fire brigades).

But there indeed is international airport near Ostrava, and they also have nice toys!


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